| Author | Topic | | AXEMAN2415
Guitar Weenie
USA
740 Posts |  Posted - 18 Sep 2007 : 07:09:12  
| About a week or so ago, I posted this thread on the Firestream website. I posted it in the "Christian Discussion" forum. I asked for ratioanl discourse, but as usual, the conversation degenerated into a secular vs. Christian free-for-all. I have reprinted it here, in it's entirety, for the sake of discussion. I am not trying to debate Christian vs. Secular. I am not asking for an opinion on the effects of music on people. What I am asking is, "Where are we willing to draw the line?" not only in lyrical content, but in our artistic culture as a whole. Is there a place where we're not even going to dignify something with our attention, because it is purposely offensive, hostile, and crude?
This can be a touchy subject. I am not wishing to create a spirit of dissent or division. All of us will have varied opinions, depending upon what we find valuable.
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I am not sure that this fits in this area, but I am going to post it here anyway.
A couple of days ago, while looking for the latest Guitar World magazine, I caught the latest issue of "Revolver" magazine, obviously a metal fanzine. I must admit that I am somewhat out of the loop when it comes to the latest bands. So, every now and then, I gloss through the latest fanzine to see what is going on in the metal culture.
One article that I was reading was about the Polish Death Metal band "Behemoth". Now, I have seen a video by them, because they have one on a video disc from Guitar World Magazine, so I am at least familiar with some of the band's work. I don't particularly like it, but I found some of it interesting.
Anyway, I had read a short blurb about them being a "pagan" band (at least that's what the article in GW said). But then I read the Revolver article, and I was kind of disturbed. In it, as they were interviewing Nergal, the band's frontman, he was asked if he was a satanist. His answer is what bothered me. He said, "Well, yes and no. I consider myself more of a pagan. But Satan stands for freedom and liberty, and I am in total agreement with that."
Earlier in the article, the magazine had reviewed a portion of a Behemoth show, where Nergal said from the stage, "This next song takes us back to f***ing Rome, where they burned Christians."
I bring this up here because I have seen some of our fellow Firestreamers who have publicly endorsed this band. While I am not in favor of eliminating secular music from anyone's musical diet, I have to ask a few questions: How far is too far? How blatantly antiChristian does a band or musician be before we throw them aside? How many times do we have to sleep with the enemy?
I would be interested to hear from those who like this band. In a rational discourse, explain to me why you think this is okay. BTW, I am not one of those fuddy-duddy, hate heavy music types. I love it, but where do we draw the line?
Please, my brothers and sisters, let's keep the discussion civil.Not that you haven't before, but I know how passionate we all can be (including myself). |
"C'mon Dave, Gimme a break!" |
| Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts | Posted - 19 Sep 2007 : 07:42:53   
| I find it rather interesting how both Christians and wiccans(pagans, witches, whatever) were both oftentimes dealt with according to that which they will not experience in eternity... Christians -> No Eternal Fire,... Wiccans/Pagans -> No water ...
...just an observation....
So Axe... we begin a discourse with "burning Christians" but we want to keep it civil? That's a hoot...
Just as I find it difficult to reconcile that anyone could vote Democrat in the US and remain true to their "should-be" Christian values regarding life etc. in the shadow of (as opposed to saying "in light of") the party's platform. I find it equally puzzling that one could "enjoy" things that are blatantly "unholy" while remaining true to those same values whether they like the style or not. and yet....
Ro:7:21: I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Ro:7:22: For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Ro:7:23: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Ro:7:24: O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Ro:7:25: I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
The verses that preceed these in this chapter are relavent too but kind of confusing to read in KJV. |
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| Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts | Posted - 19 Sep 2007 : 07:48:55
| Of course right after Chapter seven comes >>>
Ro:8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ro:8:2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Ro:8:3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Ro:8:4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ro:8:5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.Ro:8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. |
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| Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts | Posted - 19 Sep 2007 : 07:56:13
| | So then I ask.... Is aligning one's-self with such things carnal-minded or spirit-minded? But... Is it possible to walk spiritually without ceasing? ...and even if it is... Do we? |
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| AXEMAN2415
Guitar Weenie
USA
740 Posts | Posted - 19 Sep 2007 : 21:54:57
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So Axe... we begin a discourse with "burning Christians" but we want to keep it civil? That's a hoot...
Lol! I didn't see the irony in that....oopsy...Well, how about a civil discourse, at least, between the Brethren...
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Ro:8:5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.Ro:8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
I certainly think this is where the issue really lies.
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So then I ask.... Is aligning one's-self with such things carnal-minded or spirit-minded?
You said the key word here, aligning. Many of those who defend their position of supporting bands (or anything else) that blatantly promote Satan, are aligned with them (and Lucifer himself) on a benign and covert level. They will not admit this (not even to themselves, but I think, and this is really only an opinion, that those who like bands that are openly hostile to Christianity, Christians, and Jesus Christ, are tacitly approving of that attitude.
Isn't it kind of like American Muslims who, although they cry out that they don't support terrorism, they seem to be conspicuously silent when it scomes to hold their fellow Muslims in check? Yeah, they cry out and say, "We're not terrorists!" But they will not publicly censure their compatriots. Sounds like passive approval to me.
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