| Author | Topic | Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts |  Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 01:11:16     
| "I am not certain we can compel anyone to come in. Jesus said that " No one can say 'Lord' unles the Holy Spirit enables them." Having said that, I am not inclined to belive that God only wills certain people to obey Him."
Does not the Holy Spirit move within our words of obedience to scripture?...
Ro:10:14: How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Isn't our role an active one, working in concert (pun intended) with His Holy Spirit in compelling them?
I also struggle with questions/notion's of justice at times and feel that my human intellect sometimes misses it. Like in Jesus' parable about the hiring of workmen at various times throughout the day for the same pay thereby demonstrating God's sovereignty regarding how He chooses to manage His creation and salvation for that matter. You know... you've heard the questions... What if Hitler in his dying breath repented and asked Jesus into his heart... totally hypothetical and unlikely yet somehow thought provoking while unsettling. And the other one... What about the Muslim kid raised by his parents to be Muslim... never heard the Gospel or confessed with his tongue unto salvation dies at his 13th or 18th (whatever) birthday party from eating too much cake (Gluttony). Well okay maybe you didn't hear it exactly like that but you get the point... It can get a little dicey.
Yet, I Know that God is Just
By the way Shred... what is a "cooee"? I couldn't find it in my concordance. It must be in that New Aussie Standard translation. |
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| Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts | Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 01:26:43
| Oh and ...ahem ...Axe ...before'n ya git 'ta feelin' a bit too froggy on over yonder thar... I be aware of'n the next verse in line an all like that thar...
Ro:10:15: And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
But... I seen yer feet... and bud... it t'aint pretty. So we see God does have a sense of humor 'cuz it's framed as a question though it ends with one of them thingys >>> !
Like I said before... It's a concert !!! |
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| jim@souljoyrecords
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65 Posts | Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 02:18:53
| I will not have big words or a buch of fancy quotes, I am from Tennessee ya know. After reading all these big words I was moved to put in my two cents or I should say the two cents I borrowed from God.
I have been thinking along the lines of at least a part of this very subject. Though we may not be able to force feed lost souls much like "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" but we can continue to live in the light and be examples within the light.
I do not know about you all but I am tired of hearing we are loosing our youth, we can't do this or we can't do that. Mean while those same people just sit in a pew listen to the sermon being spoken then head off to the house and do nothing all week just to return to the same pew the next Sunday. Mean while our youth contiue to be lost and our rights in the free world continue you to erode.
Call me radical if you will...Hey thats pretty cool "The Radical Rev"...lol...
I know we are supposed to bring peace to a world in chaos but I do not believe for a minute we are to just sit and let the world walk on us. Why do we not Rise Up and speak the truth. It is not good enough to just live it day to day we must have action in our lives. What are we really doing for the Kingdom do we just sit in the pew as some do or are we pounding the streets telling folks about the Lord. I know the prophetic word says not everyone will enter the Kingdom but we do have an impact on how many get in if not only by professing the name of the Lord everyday. "Those with ears Let them Hear" well how they gonna hear ya dude if ya aint a talkin. Thats my deal.
In the first few weeks of this year 2007 I have seen more amazing things than I did all of last year. Now these things are not on the larger scale I have been talking about but it is a start. All it is, is people like you and I taking a stand for Jesus and things begin to move. While I know it is all not that easy and there will be trials and the enemy will surely try to move in. Dont be affraid cause Daddy's got your back. I believe we have grown so affraid as a society, of what people will think if we speak out that we just stand and say nothing.
Well Folks if I have to stay the rest of my life in jail or go to the grave early then they aint taking me down without a fight. I will fight on the side of the Lord always and I will speak his name everyday the rest of my life to someone, somewhere, somehow. So if I am labeled radical so be it at least I am radical for Jesus. Let me clarify radical before Axeman busts my chops...lol...(by radical I mean speaking the name of Jesus thru word and music, rock and otherwise. I do not mean being radical as in invokin violence) there Axe thought you may need some clarification...lol...It's and inside joke folks between me and Axe.
So I will sign off for now...Love ya Mean Itoh and Jesus Loves you too
The Radical Rev |
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| Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts | Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 02:31:24
| Oh and uh.... by the way... to be totally truthful my wife ain't all that wild about my feet. But I'm with the Rev. Maybe that verse about the feet is implying that my feet will get better looking the more I carry the Gospel of Peace. But before that happens I think it's time for a good old 1st Century foot washin' extravaganza ! |
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| Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts | Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 02:55:25
| Just a couple more items to pondereth... sometimes I think it is hard to discern things an all-knowing God is telling us due to the limitations caused by our finite linear existence. He foreknew us and He knows every decision we will ever make before we make them yet it remains we who make them. In that sense he pre-knows our destiny. (a form or type of pre-destination?)
How unsearchable...
Proverb:16:4: The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Proverb:16:11: A just weight and balance are the LORD's: all the weights of the bag are his work. |
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| AXEMAN2415
Guitar Weenie
USA
740 Posts | Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 13:34:57
| quote:
"you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink"
That one must be from the NRV of the Scripture (The New Redneck Version)...Somehow I couldn't find that reference in any of my other translations...lol
And, Captain Blasto, here's to the cooee comment! I couldn't have slammed my Aussie brother any better...lol Oh, Oh...I had better watch out, or Shred will hit me over the head with a liter of Petrol...lol (That's less than a gallon of Gasoline, for you non-Aussies...which is the rest of us...lol!
More to the point, though, I definitely think all of you are correct in your analases, but allow me to contextualize myself a little better. I do not wish to imply that we should not tell people, for that is contrary to the Scriptural command. Nor do I wish to imply that we won't be effective when we do speak to people. The above posts by Cpt.B and Shred clearly spell that out. I do not even desire to imply that it is fruitless, for we know that God's Word will not come back void.
However, I am directing my thoughts from the context of the phrase, "How can we compel them?" Well, we cannot do anything, much less compel anyone. My point was that it is God who does the compelling. We may very well be the tool by which God forms the furniture, but He is the Master Craftsman. Does the tool claim any credit for the Sculptures, or does the Artist? Clearly, we can see the toolmarks on the craft, but it is in the final product that we see the expression of the Artist (and, no, I do not mean Prince[/i], for those of you wise-guys out there...lol).
I am not trying to invalidate any of the above commentary or analysis, I am merely trying to focus my commentary. Certainly, each question and statement is equally valid, but not equally contextual in regard to my sentiments in my newsletter or responses.
But, hey, it sure is fun!...lol!
I would say this; Big Jim, you are correct that in taking a definite stand for Christ certainly gets things moving. But most of the time, your obedience has more to do with what God wants to do in your own life, and how He shapes you, not in your world around you. If you are obedient, it doesn't matter what happens with everyone else. Morality is doing the right thing, no matter what the outcome. I believe that obedience to the Lordship of Christ is the same way.
Of course, I could be wrong, but how unlikely is that?lol!
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Edited by - AXEMAN2415 on 07 Jan 2007 13:37:41 | |
| jim@souljoyrecords
New Member
USA
65 Posts | Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 16:22:47
| "I would say this; Big Jim, you are correct that in taking a definite stand for Christ certainly gets things moving. But most of the time, your obedience has more to do with what God wants to do in your own life, and how He shapes you, not in your world around you. If you are obedient, it doesn't matter what happens with everyone else. Morality is doing the right thing, no matter what the outcome. I believe that obedience to the Lordship of Christ is the same way."
Thanks axe I could not agree with you more...
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| Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts | Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 18:35:55
| quote:
However, I am directing my thoughts from the context of the phrase, "How can we compel them?" Well, we cannot do anything, much less compel anyone. My point was that it is God who does the compelling. We may very well be the tool by which God forms the furniture, but He is the Master Craftsman. Does the tool claim any credit for the Sculptures, or does the Artist? Clearly, we can see the toolmarks on the craft, but it is in the final product that we see the expression of the Artist (and, no, I do not mean Prince[/i], for those of you wise-guys out there...lol).
As much as I hate to amit it... Well said Axe... |
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| Shredhead
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Australia
322 Posts | Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 18:40:47
| Capn B; cooee is what you yell out if you're ever lost in the bush , it carries a very long way , which is why we use that expression lol .
Now , one explanation deserves another I think ."before'n ya git 'ta feelin' a bit too froggy on over yonder thar... I be aware of'n the next verse in line an all like that thar... " LOL
"Oh, Oh...I had better watch out, or Shred will hit me over the head with a liter of Petrol...lol" Now there's a flamin good idea , maybe we could work it into the act , sort of like a Hendrix thing lol .
Anyway , I agree with the Right Honorable & Radically Rockin Rev Jim , we can't just sit around like a bunch of Southerners at a crawdad convention { heheh } & watch the world go to hell . The reason I asked about prophecy being a factor was , there's no point trying to turn prophecy back , it'll happen . If we do try , aren't we just being like Peter trying to stop Jesus ? Does that mean we should stop preaching ? NO !! Even though Gods' word says people will turn away , it also says to preach the gospel to every living creature , if we were to stop , that would be contrary to this commandment .
I wanted to know if the reason for the surveys' result was because we are in the last days { as I suspect } , or , was it because we { the Body } had stopped preaching to the lost . In other words , is it a result of our complacency , or the inevitable end for the lost as these days draw to an end . The former can be corrected , the latter cannot .
"But most of the time, your obedience has more to do with what God wants to do in your own life, and how He shapes you, not in your world around you."
I agree , but would like to add , in allowing God to transform & renew our hearts & minds , He , is shaping the world . " Gods' process for bringing about change in society has always been through the hearts of men & women ; bringing about change from within , rather than making short term gains by mere legislation from without ." - RZ . I think that also addresses the issue of we Christians & our civil rights being eroded .
Anyway..... hooroo ...lol .
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| AXEMAN2415
Guitar Weenie
USA
740 Posts | Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 20:59:36
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I agree , but would like to add , in allowing God to transform & renew our hearts & minds , He , is shaping the world . " Gods' process for bringing about change in society has always been through the hearts of men & women ; bringing about change from within , rather than making short term gains by mere legislation from without ." - RZ . I think that also addresses the issue of we Christians & our civil rights being eroded .
And your addition, Shred ole boy, is absolutely true. But I cannot help but wonder if that is the fringe benefit of our obedience( the affecting and shaping the world part), not the purpose of it.
In Noah's day, he was obedient, and his obedience transformed no one outside of his immediate family. Everyone else perished. They were all probably from Australia...lol, except Noah...lol!
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Anyway , I agree with the Right Honorable & Radically Rockin Rev Jim
You made two mistakes on this one, Shred: First: That's too may "R"'s in Jim's name for Jimbo to remember and Second: You said you agreed with him. Now We all have to live with that...lol |
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| Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts | Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 21:32:26
| Shred... I guess in broad terms (and I don't mean girl talk) we could certainly say...
"'tis the season"
But maybe part of the reason that "no man knows the day or the hour" has to do with what we have discussed here. Just a thought... |
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| jim@souljoyrecords
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65 Posts | | Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts | Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 23:13:18
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Now , one explanation deserves another I think ."before'n ya git 'ta feelin' a bit too froggy on over yonder thar... I be aware of'n the next verse in line an all like that thar... " LOL
That be Cap'n (Jack) Blasto to ya'll ...maties
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| AXEMAN2415
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USA
740 Posts | Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 01:01:55
| Yes, Jimborama, I am a few Tacos short of a combo plate....
I can live with that...
Hope you can when you see me in a couple of weeks |
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| Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts | Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 02:37:34
| yo ho ho... whoooo lives in a pineapple under the sea...
uhh... sorry guys... I guess I got a little carried away there...
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| Shredhead
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Australia
322 Posts | Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 05:44:14
| " Shred ole boy " , " ole " ?? What ? are we using Spanish now to increase the vast cultural gulf between us ?? lol .
"I think Axe has gone a few bricks shy of a full load."
RHRRR Jim , does that mean he's got a few roo's loose in the top paddock ?
" But I cannot help but wonder if that is the fringe benefit of our obedience( the affecting and shaping the world part), not the purpose of it."
Hmmm , interesting thought Axelotyl , but lets look at the obedience of the apostles . I think it safe to say , their obedience & willingness to be used changed their culture . Ultimately our obedience should glorify God { purpose }.... I guess it's up to Him , what He does with it , considering Noah I mean .
"In Noah's day, he was obedient, and his obedience transformed no one outside of his immediate family. Everyone else perished. They were all probably from Australia...lol, except Noah...lol!"
While I can't speak for those that perished , I can say with 100 % certainty , that Noah was a distant realtion lol .
"That be Cap'n (Jack) Blasto to ya'll ...maties" .
Hmmm Captain Jack...wasn't that a rather interesting Billy Joel song lol.
"uhh... sorry guys... I guess I got a little carried away there... "
Yeees...I can see why you should , sorry , would be carried away lol .
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| AXEMAN2415
Guitar Weenie
USA
740 Posts | Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 12:32:49
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" Shred ole boy " , " ole " ?? What ? are we using Spanish now to increase the vast cultural gulf between us ?? lol .
No, not Spanish...That would be easier to understand. Indeed, ther is a cultural gulf between us...Yet I am the harbor that is waiting for you lost ship...You must come home to me, Shredders. I shall leave the lighthouse on for ya...
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"I think Axe has gone a few bricks shy of a full load."
RHRRR Jim , does that mean he's got a few roo's loose in the top paddock ?
It's my guess that a "roo" is a kangaroo, a cetrtain famouse marsupial...but what is a paddock?
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While I can't speak for those that perished , I can say with 100 % certainty , that Noah was a distant realtion lol .
Probably not too distant a relation...you probably were with Noah after the flood...Hence, my use of the word "ole" (translated:old).lol |
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| Shredhead
Junior Member
Australia
322 Posts | Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 17:16:54
| OLD !!!.... well if that's not the pot calling the kettle black , I don't know what is .
"It's my guess that a "roo" is a kangaroo, a cetrtain famouse marsupial...but what is a paddock?"
http://www.aussieslang.com/slang/aussie-slang-p.asp
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| AXEMAN2415
Guitar Weenie
USA
740 Posts | Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 18:26:25
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OLD !!!.... well if that's not the pot calling the kettle black , I don't know what is .
Well, I am a much younger pot.....Mr. Kettle...lol
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| Shredhead
Junior Member
Australia
322 Posts | Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 18:51:38
| | LOL , ther's barely 12 mths between us , I've eaten pizza older than that . |
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